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Post by Rdsok » Sat Jul 10, 2004 10:05 pm

Well it doesn't look like anyone else will start this so I will...

It's almost time to celebrate the 900th member everyone.

I'll bring the burgers,

homaquebec, can you bring the cake? Then we'll just need some chips, potatoe salad or whatever else you may like. Maybe ComputerBob or KY Dave could each bring one of those. I'm not sure who to ask to bring the beer, I never developed a taste for it myself, but it just doesn't sound right to not have beer at a celebration. :D

Ok, I've done my part, I was even able to add more ammo to wild rumor of why Americans are starting to look super-sized. :D

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Post by ++vitoco » Mon Jul 12, 2004 4:21 pm

901 :!: :!: :!:

Hey, ComputerBob... Why didn't you drop me a message for such an event? I was sure you would... I lost the party :cry:

Anyway, welcome Goofyball (and admc).

BTW, I'm also american, Chile also is in America. I think that only north-americans are oversized ;-)

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Post by Rdsok » Mon Jul 12, 2004 4:27 pm

Hmmm,

Maybe it actually has to do with which side of the equator we are on then.

:idea: Maybe we could get a grant to study this.. :D

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Post by ComputerBob » Mon Jul 12, 2004 4:54 pm

++vitoco wrote:Hey, ComputerBob... Why didn't you drop me a message for such an event? I was sure you would... I lost the party :cry:
Sorry, vitoco -- I just read about the party for the first time right now, so I missed it, too. :cry:
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Post by KY Dave » Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:59 pm

++vitoco wrote:BTW, I'm also american, Chile also is in America. I think that only north-americans are oversized ;-)++V
We tend to call ourselves "Americans" and mean only USA Citizens, which is wrong. :oops:
Canadians and Mexicans probably shouldn't be considered as "supersized" in the article either.

Whenever we had a 'pitch in dinner' where I used to work, guys would usually bring a jar of pickels. The women always made the 'good stuff'.

Sweet pickles is what I'll bring to the party.

I'm not chauvinistic, just looking for an easy way out. :D
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Post by Rdsok » Tue Jul 13, 2004 4:58 pm

KY Dave wrote:We tend to call ourselves "Americans" and mean only USA Citizens, which is wrong. :oops:
Actually, American's is correct, ie United State of America. Just as Canadian's are from Canada, Chilian's(? not sure of it may be Chilain's, but I'm sure that vitoco know what he is :D ) from Chile etc. Vitoco is also correct from the continental viewpoint, or the sub-continental of North or South American. I can also be an Oklahoman, or a Norman. We even have a city just north of us call Moore, I'll leave that name to your imaginations.

I really don't care what I'm called, as the saying goes 'just don't call me late for dinner'.

KY Dave, the sweet pickles sound great to me, my grandmother, who is now 96 years young, is the one that would alway make the sweet and the candied pickles, while she made a lot of other food as well, those were what everyone would remember from her. Basically that would be a sweet memory, pun is intended.

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Post by vitoco » Wed Jul 14, 2004 2:10 pm

Rdsok wrote:Actually, American's is correct, ie United State of America.
I was wrong, canadian's are also north-american's... I should say "american's from the United States", or may be "USAn's".

FYI, we (chillean's) call you "gringos" or "yankis" or ... well, "norteamericanos" ;-)

What we cannot understand is: Why you call "World Series" to a sport competition that is only played in your country? Or at least I had never seen a team from another county... :twisted:

Or why you named "football" to a sport that is played with your hands? For us, soccer is the real football :roll:

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Post by ComputerBob » Wed Jul 14, 2004 3:14 pm

vitoco wrote:FYI, we (chillean's) call you "gringos" or "yankis" or ... well, "norteamericanos" ;-)

What we cannot understand is: Why you call "World Series" to a sport competition that is only played in your country? Or at least I had never seen a team from another county... :twisted:

Or why you named "football" to a sport that is played with your hands? For us, soccer is the real football :roll:

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Post by homaquebec » Wed Jul 14, 2004 4:00 pm

ComputerBob wrote:[...]

... but the USA has never been ruled by a dictator, and I'd rather live in my little corner of it than anywhere else in the world.
CB, you should learn the History. You will learn that dictators in South America and most of them in other parts of the world were supported by USA, the same country that had schools where they taught how to torture, how to kill. Those corrupted dictators were in place to protect the interests of the most important american companies even if, doing so, 90% of the population could nos live decently.

USA = one of the most barbarian countries in the world with a face of angel and a president who believes that he has a divine mission to accomplish.

But like most Americans - more than 75% (from USA), you just know and believe what is said at Oprah's and at The Price is right and what is written in The National Inquirer.

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Post by KY Dave » Wed Jul 14, 2004 5:01 pm

These series of posts are exactly why we shouldn't get into political debates.

No one really knows what they write about until you have lived in the country or 'walked a mile in their shoes'.

We are ALL like 'mushrooms', kept in the dark and fed shit'.
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Post by Rdsok » Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:10 pm

KY Dave, I couldn't agree more.

Vitoco, thanks for the correction on your nationality, with what you wrote I think I was able to find the correct (english) spelling being 'Chilean' (you had 2 'L's in your spelling).

I also liked your suggestion of "Usan's", nice and short, but I was trying to figure out how to say it, if we go with that spelling, we would all sound as if we came from the USA's deep south, as in "You'uns" and "Us'uns"... :lol:

As to your questions on the use of our words 'World Series' and 'football', I think those are million dollar questions. There isn't any really good answer for those and if you find one, please share it with us, we'd like to know also. :? signed Confused

Oh, KY Dave, I'd bet you already know this, but those mushrooms you mentioned, taste great if saute'd in butter and served with beef. Mmm.. Mmm.. :wink:

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Post by ComputerBob » Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:21 pm

homaquebec wrote:CB, you should learn the History. You will learn that dictators in South America and most of them in other parts of the world were supported by USA, the same country that had schools where they taught how to torture, how to kill. Those corrupted dictators were in place to protect the interests of the most important american companies even if, doing so, 90% of the population could nos live decently.

USA = one of the most barbarian countries in the world with a face of angel and a president who believes that he has a divine mission to accomplish.

But like most Americans - more than 75% (from USA), you just know and believe what is said at Oprah's and at The Price is right and what is written in The National Inquirer.
Wow. :lol:

Unlike your extremely defensive flame, my post simply pointed out two undisputed facts (Chile has had dictatorial rule, and I would rather live in the USA than anywhere else in the world.) I did not express any uneducated prejudices. I was making the point that it's easy to make fun of other countries' languages and cultures and to make sweeping generalizations about countries and cultures that you don't understand, based on popular stereotypes and lies.

For some reason which I don't fully understand, and which you have demonstrated extremely clearly in this thread, it is currently considered acceptable behavior (or even ADMIRABLE in many circles) for non-USA-citizens to criticize and make fun of the USA and its citizens and cultures and policies. It is also currently fashionable to claim that anyone who disagrees with you is somehow uneducated. And it is also fashionable to express hateful prejudices toward anyone who disagrees with you, like those you expressed above, which you unashamedly presented as facts.

In contrast to your behavior in this thread, I have not expressed any stereotypes or prejudices about any countries or any countries' citizens.

I agree that the USA has been involved in many self-centered events around the world, but it has also been involved in doing much good in the world, both currently and in the past.

I speak as one who is very well informed about history, and who never, ever watches Oprah, or The Price Is Right and never reads the National Enquirer.
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Post by KY Dave » Wed Jul 14, 2004 10:10 pm

I guess the use of "world" could be due to multi-nationalities all playing in our MLB. The teams' players are really from several parts of the planet, not just USA citizens. The best players from everywhere in the world come here to play, then the best of those are in a seven game series. Thus it really is a world series.

Since I explained that, would you explain this...

Why do the beauty pagents call it Ms/Miss Universe, when there are no beings from other planets, solar systems or galaxies???
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Post by Rdsok » Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:02 am

To help lighten the mood in this thread, I thought I'd make up an answer for the previous question (in other words, don't believe a word of it) :D

I believe the invitations for the Ms/Miss Universe went out to all other beings on the Voyager spacecraft along with the other info we sent. (CB you may like the next part) Irregardless of the fact that they just haven't received them yet. (yeah, I know, the grammer isn't very good either)

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Post by ComputerBob » Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:35 am

KY Dave wrote:Why do the beauty pagents call it Ms/Miss Universe, when there are no beings from other planets, solar systems or galaxies???
There aren't?

When I was a kid, I used to see commercials on TV, saying that it was time for all resident aliens to register with the U.S. government. I always wondered why I seemed to be the only person who thought it was odd that the U.S. government was acknowledging that there were aliens living in the country. :lol:
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Post by vitoco » Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:09 am

Some taboo themes in a chilean (with one "L") friend's meeting are politics and religion.

This time I'll do an exception, just to clarify some points... :o I live in a country where there are many, very different (opposed), tendences and affinities, and we must coexist. It is a fact that in Chile there was a dictator for more than 15 years, but it is also a fact that my country became stable in its economy, and governable during that stage and the following ones... The credibility in front of the world is very important for an effective government.

I think, and may be wrong, that the two main political parties at the USA are very similar. Someone may get along with one and change to the other the next year. Please, could a "USAn" clarify me this point? BTW, are there more parties?

If I made a joke about "american", "world series" or "football", it is just because most of what we watch at TV are movies from Hollywood (only few are from Europe and some Jakie Chan, Jet Li et al.), so we laught about such things, and tolerate that as we tolerate ourselves. Sorry if I hit someone :oops:

I don't know who named that competition as "Miss Universe", but I have an idea where is he/she from :lol: Argh! Sorry again :oops:

Proudly chilean ++Vitoco

PS: sorry about my English, sometimes I don't know when to use "in", "at", "on", "watch", "see", "look", double consonants... :roll:

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Post by Rdsok » Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:18 am

Vitoco,

I may be wrong here also, but I think that politics and religion are taboo almost everywhere because everyone has their own ideas about them and are unwilling to accept others ideas. Sometimes it's hard for us to either admit that we may not know it all or that the information we have is wrong or just incomplete. Then the next thing that happens is someone misunderstands something and takes it in the wrong way and things start getting ugly.

Personally, I enjoy talking about issues on subjects like these that are usually based on opinions and preferences more than just facts. In this way I'm able to not only evolve my own understandings of the subjects by looking at other views, but I'm able to refine, adjust and/or correct my own views. I don't enjoy a debate when people start flaming each other though.

There are actually quite a few different political parties in the USA. The Democratic and Republican parties have such strong majorities that you may not ever hear of the others very often. Generally the other parties end up being grouped together and called simply Independants. While each party has it's own 'identity' and tends to see things one way or another. The lines between the different parties have blurred quite a bit lately, it's not unheard of for a candidate for one party to switch to another just so they may get on the ballet and have a chance at being elected.

I absolutely loved it when you stated that you were an American also by looking at it continentally instead of by country. That is one of those ideas that you already know, but just haven't thought about before like that. About your joking about the words 'World Series' and 'football', well, I had understood it was a joke. I think CB may have missed that it was just teasing around or may have meant what he said in another way. I think that you are right in laughing about the things we find odd or funny sounding, just as long as it's meant as humor not malice.

The following is a political statement, please don't read it if it may offend you... (and that is just dry sarcastic humor, not anything else)

It doesn't matter what type of government we want to talk about (ie communist, democrat, dictatorship, republic, socialist or other type) or the type of leader it may have. They all are capable of producing either good or bad results and they each have their own strong and weak points. If you only look at one side of them, that is all you will see. To see the whole picture, you have to look at all of its sides.

Well, I guess it's time for me to pass this very tall soapbox onto the next person. Hopefully, I didn't offend anyone this time myself.

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Post by Renier » Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:49 am

Rdsok wrote:it's not unheard of for a candidate for one party to switch to another just so they may get on the ballet and have a chance at being elected.
One of the things I hate in South African politics, is that we have a law (floor crossing period), where politicians that was elected can actually move to another party and still keep their seat.

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Post by Bateman » Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:09 pm

Such a law is not that uncommon and there's an idea behind. Members of Parliament do, in the first place, represent the people who have elected them and not some party politics. So it would be a loss of representation of the electorate if they were kicked out of parliament (democratically speaking).

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Post by ComputerBob » Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:37 pm

Just for the record, Vitoco, nothing you wrote about the World Series, etc. offended me. I knew you were joking, and many professional comedians make their livings pointing out those same types of oddities. :wink:

But notice how quickly your joking evolved into Bruno's flaming attack. That's the only thing in this thread that has offended me.
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